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Unfortunately it is time to retire some running shoes

Over the past couple days I have had a few different pairs of shoes crap out on me, each with their own symptoms and indications to let me know that they were done. The coincidental timing of the shoe failures made it tough to sort out which pair(s) were the culprit but with some trial and error, I have sorted out the issue. I occassionally get a hit on the blog from a runner trying to figure out how many miles they should expect to get out of a pair of running shoes and with that in mind I figured I should do a quick write up of the symptoms I was having and how I worked through discovering what was causing my issues. Read on below…

So over the past couple weeks I have been noticing some issues with my feet and legs. Specifically – I have been having some aches in around the front half of my right foot and some issues with my right knee while running. I have also been having issues with my left ankle almost seizing up some days. The right leg issues showed while running but the left leg issues would show up at other times of the day after my legs had had a chance to rest, whether I had run or not that day.

The right knee is a known old issue that comes and goes – mostly if my form is good and I am putting in decent miles the knee will strengthen and be solid. I think this issue is just because I haven’t been running enough but may also be due to bad form. But if it is bad form what is causing that? It is possible that the right foot issues are messing up how I am moving and planting that leg and foot. So I will treat that as a side symptom for now.

My right forefoot is a new thing and I have only been seeing it after my outdoor runs. I had originally thought it might just be due to being a bit off my game and running heavily on asphalt and cement. My outside running lately has been exclusively in my Hoka One One Cliftons, which are fantastic and have done well at shielding me from the punishment I should expect from a lot of pavement running. But on Thursday I did an 8.85 mile run in a new set of Cliftons that I received as a present for Fathers’ Day, and I didn’t have the same forefoot pain. This made me think that the original pair of Cliftons might finally be dead. I hadn’t run the day before so there was the chance that the rest day had allowed the foot to recover, so I did a test run on Friday with the original pair and the foot pain returned. That still wasn’t conclusive because the pain could just be an issue with running back to back days. So Saturday I ran in the new set of Cliftons again – no foot pain…original set of Cliftons is toast. I am sorry to see those shoes go – they hold a lot of memories and have helped me through many races – my first ultra back in October, my first Dopey Challenge (3 of 4 races and wandering around the parks after) as well as a few other half marathons and another full. But I certainly got my money out of them and they have treated me right since the very first test run in them.

In the end (after Friday’s run) the shoes are being retired at 466.9785 running/training miles and more than a few walking miles as well. This is pretty damned impressive considering I have been in the 220-230 pound range the entire time I have been using these shoes. I have always been a Nike Pegasus guy and have gone through dozens of pairs of those shoes over the years and they have never gotten me that kind of mileage! The best mileage I got on a pair of Nike Pegasus 29s was about 350, about 330 for Nike Pegasus 30s – which I have always been happy with. Unfortunately the Pegasus 31s released last year were no where near as cushioned a shoe and I was only able to get 305 miles on them before I had to set them aside. That is over an additional 50% mileage with the Hoka One One Cliftons over the Pegasus 31s….wow!!

Ok – so that sorted out the right foot but what about the left ankle? This didn’t seem to be aggravated by running so much but it was aching frequently if I was out walking around and also showed stiffness after work. It got really bad one day after I mowed the lawn – a half hour of mowing shouldn’t cause issues when I can push out 3.5-4 miles of running in the same time period.

Now my walking around shoes are a pair of Nike Pegasus 30s – I wear these when shopping and at work and pretty much any time I am out of the house besides when running or doing specific yard work. My yard work shoes are a pair of Pegasus 29s that I retired from being my normal walking around shoes a while ago because they were feeling a bit dead but were ok for short periods of use. When that happened I took what was my current running 30s and moved them over to walking around shoes instead – so my current walkers had about 100 running miles on them before they were re-purposed and then had several months of being used day in and day out.

So there were 2 different scenarios where my ankle was hurting, neither of which involved running. After just doing everyday stuff and after doing yard work. I had not worn the walking around shoes the day I had issues after mowing the lawn so there seemed to be no correlation between shoes and the ankle issue. Strange.

But I had to try something so I grabbed my last pair of Pegasus 30s I had in reserve (with no mileage on them at all) and did basically a walking around shopping day in them. No ankle issues at all. I avoided both the old 30s and the old 29s completely that day and I felt no issues with my ankle the next day.

I did some walking around in the old 30s the next day and felt some issues. Those are dead.

So my conclusion is that what has basically happened is that my walking around shoes (the 30s) have died at around the same time the demoted yard work 29s gave up the ghost completely. Or because the 30s are now dead and causing issues the previously dead 29s are aggravating the issues.

Either way, I will be tossing out the old 29s and demoting the old 30s to yard work shoes for the rest of the summer and start using the new 30s for my new walking around shoes. I don’t know what I am going to do once that pair is worn out – I have worn Pegasus for so long for everyday life that I don’t a have a clue what could replace them! I will burn that bridge when I come to it I guess.

Anyway – the moral of the story is that there is no hard and fast rule on how many miles or how much work you can get out of a pair of decent running shoes. You have to watch your body and figure out when it isn’t feeling right and experiment to see if it is the shoes or a deeper issue to be solved. I do recommend keeping a log of how many miles you get on a pair of shoes as that can give you some indication when you might start having problems (especially if you have killed another pair of the same type of shoe before) but that really isn’t a substitute for monitoring and paying attention to what your body is telling you!

5 miles in 38:23 tonight – not bad after 18.2 miles on Sunday

Tonight’s run was pretty smooth – no drama, which is always nice. After an 18.2 mile run on Sunday I wasn’t sure how the legs would do but they appear to have recovered very well!

Tonight I started with some time at 7 mph before bumping up to 8 mph for most of the run. I did a few surges at 9 mph (for a total of about 3 minutes over the whole period in 30-60 second chunks) and had 1 minute of walking. Finished out the 5 miles in 38:23 with a 1% incline.

I tweeted that I did an 18.2 mile on Sunday but didn’t put up a post about it. I was pretty exhausted that night (especially after the headache and nausea I had the day before) and even though I woke up about an hour before I wanted to get rolling and thought about heading out early, I decided I needed that sleep. So I put my head back down figuring I would get up in an hour…so I ended up getting out of bed 2 hours after I wanted to get up…

That meant I was on a bit of a time crunch to get the long run in. So I grabbed a bottle of liquid fuel and headed out – in the end I hit 18.2 miles in 2:55:36. A very solid run and I still felt pretty good after the run and could have kept going. But that whole time crunch came into play. So I didn’t get my planned 20 miles in but I did get in a nice solid run at a very steady pace – so I at least came out with confidence that I haven’t completely lost my endurance!

On a side note, I have mentioned it before but I definitely noticed it again this weekend – my current treadmill is definitely pushing me harder. Similar effort outside versus inside seems to get me better results outside right now compared to the treadmill. That is kind of backwards to the way treadmills usually end up working but if it means I have to push harder on the treadmill, so be it. That can only help my running overall!

5 miles in 36:46 @ 1% – testing out redesigned Nike Pegasus 31s – worked quite well!

I decided to do a quick unscheduled run tonight to test out a pair of Nike Pegasus 31s I bought last week. The shoe is fairly heavily redesigned and I was not sure how they were going to work for me, so I wanted to give them a test go before I put them in the rotation for my regularly scheduled runs. The change in the toe-heel height difference and the fact I had to get a different size shoe than I normally do had me concerned.

My legs were shot today after being back to work after a week off – they did not want to be under that desk! So they started to rebel a bit when I started running but that was the legs and not the shoes.

I started out a steady 7 mph just to make sure I wasn’t going to have an immediate bad reaction and to try to work the kinks out of my tired legs. By the time I hit the 5 minute mark I was starting to feel better in my legs so I pushed a bit higher up to 7.5 mph. I did that for another 5 minutes before bumping up to 8 mph for 5. At this point I was pretty sure I was just going to do 2 miles and call the run a success but at the 15 minute mark I bumped the speed to 8.5 mph and everything seemed to click. By the time I hit the 20 minute mark I knew I was going to do a full 5 mile run. I bumped the speed up to 9 mph and then to 9.5 at the 25 minute mark.

I stopped for a 1 minute walk at 30 minutes and them hopped back up to 8 mph and then bumped the speed 0.2 mph every minute until I finished the 5 miles in 36:46.

All in all a very good run on tired and sore legs.

The shoes did really well also, I really thought the toe-heel height change was going to be an issue because I could feel it when walking around in the shoes but on the treadmill it didn’t appear to be an issue (maybe because of the incline?). I will have to try them outside as well to see how they work for me out in the real world but so far I am surprised and happy!

I also did some swimming pool resistance training tonight before supper – so a good calorie burn all around tonight.

8.85 miles in 1 hour @ 1% – testing out Nike Structure 17s – was able to fly!

So after the road trip yesterday to buy shoes I had some new shoes to test out tonight!

I missed out on a planned 8 miler last night because of the road trip (although I did manage to get in 2.66 miles yesterday morning around the hotel, Grand Forks residential areas – lovely area actually – very clean and well maintained) so I wanted to do 8 tonight to get that run back. I also wanted to test out the Nike Structure 17s I picked up to try to see if their added support and slight over pronation correction properties would help to sort out my knee issues that I have been having lately. I figured if I had an issue with them I would quickly switch over to my trusty Pegasus 30s and finish out the run.

Most of my knee issues seem to be happening when I am pushing fairly fast and hard so I didn’t want to go too slow with these new shoes and not give them a proper test. That and around 8-9 hours of driving combined with slow shopping walking I really wanted to stretch my legs.

So before supper (and after about an hour and a half in the pool with the kids and my brother), I hit the treadmill to see what the Structures could do.

I started out with a steady 7.5 mph for a minute to give a quick test, since things felt good I bumped things up to 9 mph for a minute and things still felt good. So I went back to 7.5 for another minute and then 2 minutes at 9 mph. Because things were feeling good I kept bumping my speed while still doing the slower speed / faster speed intervals. I upped the slower speed to 8 mph for the rest of the run and slowly upped the faster speed every cycle until I was at 10 mph. I walked for a minute at the half hour mark and then kept pushing. I did slow down the faster speed for a few cycles and then brought it back up and then back down again. Then finished the hour with a cycle with the fast at 10 mph.

That felt really good – 8.85 miles in one hour at a 1% incline with a 1 minute walk break half way through.

So the Structures have passed the first test – they definitely didn’t cause any new issues on a significantly fast run.

There were some minor knee pain issues but not as bad as I have been having but it is probably too early to say that these shoes are the reason why the issues were less than they had been. It could be one or more of a few reasons:

  • the new shoes
  • I was paying more attention to my form because I was conscious that there could be issues with the new shoes
  • the bit of break from running due to the road trip
  • all the walking around in stores over the past couple days stretching out the legs
  • I was in the pool just before the run so legs could have been loosened up well because of that

Either way I am fairly positive about these shoes and can’t wait to see how they perform as I move forward!

Additionally this could very well have been my fastest hour of running ever – I have had the feeling lately that I was holding back because I didn’t want to hurt my knee and risk another hamstring problem. Testing the new shoes gave me the confidence and the drive to push harder and that really showed in the run tonight. I need to capture that and keep driving!!

I am writing this about 3 hours after I finished the run and still feel awesome – whoohooo!!!

Shopping trip to Fargo/Grand Forks yields 3 sets of shoes – #Nike pegasus 30 (love), pegasus 31 and structure 17 to test out!

Late Tuesday afternoon I, my wife, son, daughter and my brother hopped in the van and went on a bit of a road trip. We headed down to Fargo from Winnipeg for a quick supper and some shopping at Scheels for running shoes. Then we headed back to Grand Forks to grab a hotel before shopping away the day yesterday (Wednesday).

My main goal on the trip was to grab some extra shoes. My outdoor pair will probably be topped out on the mileage by next week and my current treadmill pair will be done by the end of August. I do have one pair of Nike Pegasus 30 LEs in reserve but they will go in service shortly. With the mileage I have planned for the Dopey Challenge training, I will need new shoes by the end of September for sure. The Nike’s I usually wear (Pegasus – have gone through 6-7 pairs in the past year and a half and probably 20 in total – love them!) are $30 cheaper in the US versus here in Canada – with Nike making significant changes to the Pegasus shoes for version 31 I wanted to make sure to pick up a pair as cheaply as I could in case the changes did not work for me. Scheels quite often has discounts on previous model versions as well so I have sometimes found my shoes for half the cost of what I would pay in Winnipeg.

Unfortunately this trip they didn’t have any Pegasus shoes in the discount area but they did have a pair of Nike Structure 17s in my size. After some quick research I realized that those might be a good idea to try – the added support and slight over pronation correction as well as similar cushioning to what I am used to with the Pegasus could really help my knee issues I have been having lately without overly changing the type of shoe I use. So I picked those up for about $60 cheaper than the Canadian price. I figured the reduced price would make these shoes a worthwhile experiment.

I also wanted to try out a Nike Pegasus 31 – the toe to heel differences and other changes they have made from the 30s could significantly change the shoe and the 20% shoe sale Scheels had on top of the difference between US and Canadian prices means I was able to pick up a pair for $55 less than the current Canadian price.

Interesting thing with the 31 over the 30 was that the toe box was a lot tighter – on the 30s (and many previous versions) I use a 12 and can work with a 12.5 but with the 31 the 12s were just way too tight around the toes for me. Unfortunately Scheels didn’t have a 12.5 to try but they did have a 13 which might be a bit big but seems ok. So it looks like the 31s run 0.5-1 shoe size tighter than what they had been for the 30s (so you could need 0.5 to 1 shoe size greater than previous versions).

I walked into the store wearing a pair of 29s and I could immediately notice the changes for the toe – heel height – I am very interested to see how this will affect my runs. I will be testing these soon.

Scheels also had a new store opened up in Grand Forks (in the Columbia Mall) just recently and they were running grand opening specials there that included 20% off shoes – and they had a pair of Pegasus 30s in my size (12 for this version of the shoe) …so I picked up a pair of those as well. Funny thing this pair is now my 4th set of the exact same colour pattern – 3rd pair is my current treadmill set, 2nd got me through Goofy Challenge in January (and are now my yard shoes) and first set was for training last fall (and my Goofy Challenge backups / walking around pair).

So I came out of this trip with 2 shoes to experiment with and a known quantity…all for less than 2 pairs would have cost me in Canada – in the end the price difference paid for the hotel room for the night (and my wife got to do some shopping as well).  All in all, a productive trip!

If both the Pegasus 31s and the Structure 17s work out, this gives me enough shoes to make it through my summer and fall training into the Dopey Challenge with some room to spare. So shouldn’t need to buy any more until after the Dopey is done!

Nike Pegasus 30, 31 and Structure 17

Nike Pegasus 30, 31 and Structure 17